The dilapidated atheist sat
Self-proclaimed rationalist
Fondling his smoky beard
Eyes myopic, looks haggard
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OK, I'VE PASTED INTO Microsoft Word. now i can look at it later even if PH doesn't want to make it available. time is short on computer now; i'll read more and comment more later (today?) . bri :)
......! Those whose heads are swollen with intellectual encephalitis do not realize that they cannot even move a little finger if God doesn't will! ......that is part of the comment left here by my very good PH friend, Valsa George! well, Valsa and others, is it JUSTt we with intellectual encephalitis who cannot even move a little finger if God doesn't will it? ? ? ? i wondered why my little finger would not move when i tried to pick my nose today! ok, jokes aside, IS IT? ? or does God have to will ANYONE's little finger to move? how about my big toe, left foot? how about the hand of a terrorist about to drop a bomb on a packed train? a kidnapper's foot as she tries to accelerate her vehicle as the police are chasing her? ? ? think about THAT! but i haven't even read the whole poem yet. i started yesterday and found the effort painless, as the writing of it is (so far) extremely fine. i sense a bit of humor in the author as well as in (i hope) this reader. i have had friends try unsuccessfully to herd me back into Jesus's flock. it just won't work, ...........unless God wills it, and for almost fifty years God has not willed it [apparently]. i don't believe in Jesus's father either i.e. God. now, maybe God has secret reasons for willing bad things and not willing good things to happen. i doubt any human will ever know what is behind God's actions/inactions. well, i'm at the library and before i lose this partial comment, as i did at home yesterday, i'll stop here for now, BUT i plan to return to finish reading and commenting. bri ;)
Many ideas you wrote in this poem that helped us to see in another way different things.Thank you for sharing.
I believe that you know I am an atheist. I also still identify as an agnostic. Although I am anti-religion, I cannot prove a negative (the nonexistence of god) and so I cannot rule out the possibility, as small as it might be. I can understand using the concept as an encompassing metaphor for nature, but to belive anything on faith alone, in my eyes, is the definition of a mental disorder. The literature value of this piece is excellent. A very wittily worded, parable like presentation, written with skill.
Immense thanks for a studied response. The poem doesn't deal with faith at all. It is based on very simple logic and the question is whether that logic is penetrable. Regards.
The existence of existence, the existence of the self, the Universe all points towards the existence of God. If the sum of the Universe is zero(as physicists say) and from that zero everything that we see have come into existence, then in that Zero too there exists God. A brilliant and thought provoking poem.10/10
Look within yourself. Remember, the Infinite is everywhere. Diving deep into superconsciousness, you can speed your mind through eternity; by the power of mind you can go farther than the farthest star. The searchlight of mind is fully equipped to throw its superconscious rays into the innermost heart of Truth. Use it to do so...words of great monk shri Paramahansa Yogananda- Those who fail to look within fail to see the presence of the Omnipresence. Very nice poem.
God is the Truth which most of the intelligentsia fail to reckon, but is well conceived by the so called fools and stupids! Those whose heads are swollen with intellectual encephalitis do not realize that they cannot even move a little finger if God doesn't will! This debate on the existence of God between Fagin and the simpleton is breath taking and I am so happy that Fagin was smashed off his intellectual prowess!
Madathil aka MN has considerately responded (see below) to a previous lengthy comment i left on this page. i am working on a lengthy response to his response! it may not be ready for a week, as my time and brain capacity does not allow me to complete it [and be done with it! ] as quickly as i would like to be. bri :) :) p.s. i really would rather read more of his less-involved/controversial? poems, eat ice cream, and take walks in the country!
There is no hurry. Please take your time. In the meanwhile, enjoy your ice-cream and walks. You are right complex thoughts can't be explained without being wordy.