! Are Persons People? Comments

From the simplest questions comes the end of mankind. Dewey said something like: 'when someone starts to think, some part of the world is in danger'. On the face of it, strange words for a philosopher, but consistent I suppose with the view (hard to refute) that ideas have consequences. Rules are the problem though aren't they? There's always someone wanting to close the roads, brick up the windows, or build a little empire in their own image. And to complicate things slightly of course we have Mr Singer arguing persuasively (for some) that certain sentient, non-human creatures should be categorised as 'persons'. Who will write poetry for those persons? What kind of poetry will they appreciate - perhaps a very elemental brand, of the kind raised by your shock, contemporary merchants who write to serve the ordinary/normal. Aye, I suppose we need a few guidelines. For if we don't write poetry for those non-humant sentients we'll be guilty of speciesm. Koestler saw us as holons within a holography (good ideas on the balance between the self assertive and self transcendent in our make up by the way methinks - see the Ghost in The Machine, and you may have already) and I wonder if he would have classed all persons, people as equal holons, and therefore as having equal poetic needs and deserving of equal poetic treatment.... you started it... Time for you to draw up a list of guidelines Mr Shepherd! I always enjoy your quality poetic grapplings with issues great and small... it is such a pleasure to see a fine mind focus seriously on them - deploying humour with customary skill in the process... thanks again, jim

Personally, I wonder whether people would take it personally if they were referred to as persons rather than people.

More importantly, how many persons are some people?

Ok - what gossip am I missing? ! Intriguing work M.... doesn't sound like your usual good self but ten out of ten anyway.... feeling humanitarian here... :) t x

Ahhhh...the chord-striking query of the week...Are persons people...and vice versa...and what deems a poem as accomplished, and if it is so deemed, does it maintain that elite status, ifit's author has never seen the inside of a college classroom... And finally, the most rational philososphy doth come from our sites very own good Shepherd...Where has thou been, these past days...I thought you were hired to protect me, from gettin' 'TOSSED'(despite your better judgement) ...Am i behind on payments? heh-heh-heh... One must write Poetry based soley on what THEY consider to be artistically complete, in terms of what they wanted to convey, and how the it was delivered...Popularity, though most ego-stroking to we men who have been de-privileged from bearing new life into our old world, must not be a consideration...for if we stray from our natural style, our niche... we might just as well all become ghost-writers, or market our work, by taking requests! BTW: This is not to infer that we shouldn't always have open ears and minds to concept, criticism, and modification, as one cannot pen good Poetry until they understand certain principles that follow good Poetry.Great Work, here, Michael... FjR

Sean, I've changed the title...

Michael...., my compass faces North too..., but I believe everyone reads into his opinion in different ways.....! ! ! Best, T.M..